No more Xserve

Now that's exciting…

Ubuntu for JSS perhaps. ;)

Whats next. All Macs with iOS?

How is one supposed to rack-mount a MacPro that will please the server team ;-)

Cut the handles ;)

De : Swanson Noah <SwansonNoah at JohnDeere.com>
Date : Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:28:06 -0500
À : Casper List <casper at list.jamfsoftware.com>
Objet : Re: [Casper] No more Xserve

Whats next. All Macs with iOS?

How is one supposed to rack-mount a MacPro that will please the server team
;-)

Thats really bad news. The question is - will there be an Mac OS X Server in the future?

Joe

10.7 server for sure, let's hope for an announcement to hear a little bit
more about the features.

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De : Johannes Henkel <jhenkel at hsd.de>
Date : Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:51:41 +0100
À : Casper List <casper at list.jamfsoftware.com>
Objet : Re: [Casper] No more Xserve

Thats really bad news. The question is - will there be an Mac OS X Server in
the future?

Joe

But it's the hardware they dropped not the software. I'm sure all of you are caught off guard as well.

we're just awaiting approval for new xserves too…

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I'm hoping for an integrated virtualization feature in Lion... :)

Sad to see the Xserve go. The Mac Pro and Mini do not support LOM.

Cheers,
Kerry

We are moving to cluster the JSS with 3 dell r610s I ordered running Red hat and using the xserve it's on now just for mysql. Should be up and going at the end of the month.

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I'd be incredibly interested to hear of your trials and tribulations.

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"Integrated virtualization" sounds awful close to an enterprise feature… Wouldn't want to sneak that in or anything…
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So glad they could make this announcement today, the day my 2011 budgets are
due. Thanks Apple....guess I'm going to have to go back to the drawing
board and look at an HP server running ExtremeZ-IP.

I'll be eagerly listening to what this group finds out for JSS alternatives,
and what JAMF has in mind for an alternative (hint, hint).

Steve Wood
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We run our JSS on a tower and it works fine. Distribution points are the new mini servers. They aren't discontinuing the server OS are they? Towers are not friendly to rack, and a pain if the logic board dies but not the end of the world.

Dan

No, not the end of the world, but with our #1 requirement being redundancy and reliability, this presents us with no options.

j
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Hi
I was about to get a new Xserver (my old one runs out of warranty in december) for the JSS, but know I have to decide what to do I will wait and see if JAMFSoftware comes with an easy how to setup your JSS on a Linux

best
C.

agreed.

we also have 4 xserves not a room full of thousands in a cluster.

Dan

Same here. The projects I had lined up for next year were an XSan
deployment and a deployment of CrashPlan Pro, both of which were going to
require a few XServes. Now, I'm not sure what I'll do. Perhaps try to get
my XServes in January for the XSan deployment, and run CPP on a Windows box
instead. Oi vey!

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Now there's a MacProServer....little bit different configuration but still the Desktop Form Factor...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/05/mac-pro-server-quietly-introduced-as-xserve-heads-for-the-grave/
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro?mco=MTg5MTY5NDQ

Been running my JSS on a Mac Mini server since the beginning with no
problems. Utter idiocy to discontinue the xServe form factor. Maybe they
should try and squish the Mac Pro down to size! I just bought 3 new
xserves over the summer with a special 4 year Apple care package, I am not
crying right now. Maybe in 4 years, I will retire and not have to worry
about this. My only fear is that Lion Server might not run well on my
xserves. Let's hope that is not the case.

Roy

Hi Ben,

Personally, this is great news! Datacenter folks hate (HATE) Apple hardware and don't support it. So we're always finding ourselves in a compromised position. We've been migrating services to Wintel for years (QLA, UTS, etc.) and Linux (FullPress/WebNative, MassTransit, Hilios, etc.).

The only things holding us back from total abandonment of Mac OS X Server has been (1) NetBoot and (2) Apple Software Update Server...and more recently (3) JAMF Software Update Server which is still not totally supported on Wintel/Linux (not without additional special services fees).

Apple stuck it to us a few years ago. We had just bought and deployed close to a dozen Xserve RAID boxes. I'm hoping Apple is just ramping up to release new server hardware, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Don (who knows GWB is in Dallas this week; can hear the drones circling over our LAB...)

For what it's worth, ExtremeZ-IP on a decent Wintel server box blows away the newest/fastest/best Apple Xserve. Hands down.

There's not one environment that had Apple Xserve deployed for file services that we didn't move over to Wintel with ExtremeZ-IP.

In every single migration, performance and stability went up, and costs went down. Datacenter folks like it too.

Don

I've been reading the comments on AppleInsider's thread about it, and some are always so funny, but one of them caught my attention…Apple's server farm. They'll be offering application hosting no doubt, but that's not necessarily helping anyone here if they are concerned about fast file servers for imaging, so for a small distribution point a mini MAY be fine for some depending upon their size, but those with big JSS installs a mini…yeah right. I wouldn't even use a mini…

They have GOT to be planning something with 10.7 Server and some other server hardware or letting virtualization out to other hardware. It just doesn't make sense.

Should be interesting coming up.

Craig E

If Apple loosens their Mac OS X Server EULA and lets us VM it on Wintel hardware, we'd be in a good position. Then we can (finally) get the servers into our Datacenters.

Don

We keep hoping JAMF will move towards a supported Linux VM environment install. What's stopped us so far investigating this further is trouble doing JAMF software upgrades without a support number to call.

When we tested KBox, in some areas they are years behind JAMF for deployment and packaging OSX, but the initial server install was given to us for testing via a linux VM that we had up and running in minutes on our farm. They even have their own netboot solution - no OSX servers needed at all for anything.

There must be some 10.7 solution coming, for netboot alone I'd guess.

I suppose it wont be long before someone creates some sort of "case mod" for taking a MacPro to the server form factor. Although it will most likely be 3-4 slots high since the heatsinks on those things are massive.

Still missing a lot of the features of the xserv though...