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JNUC 2016

  • April 4, 2016
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  • April 7, 2016

Okay @mm2270 I was just merely standing in solidarity with those who are unable to afford the pricing and I have made my own comments - but I think you should spend some time reading the earlier posts and perhaps take another look at my posting and try to understand what my opinions mean. I worked for several companies (small, medium, large, enterprise, etc.) and I have had the luxury to participate in running some of the conferences and know how much it costs. The point of the conference that I recall is for the purpose of keeping your customers "HAPPY" and enticing potentially new customers. But, in any case you seriously have no idea whom you may have the luxury of addressing...never assume anything my friend because some may know more than you think :)


bradtchapman
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  • April 8, 2016

@bentoms, It's great that you're making plans to come again this year. More faffing, please!


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  • April 8, 2016

I thought his goal was to avoid the faffing. Seriously Ben...looking forward to your session. You taught me last year to beware of malformed Marios not named "Mario Mario" working for Mario Brothers Plumbing.

That was a funny session but I've now used the analogy since to explain certs to new techs or admins who don't get it.


bradtchapman
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  • Valued Contributor
  • April 8, 2016

@blackholemac I meant more use of the word "faffing" in his presentations. Even to describe the absence of it. It's such a fun word, and so delightfully British.


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  • April 8, 2016

@mm2270 and I totally see your point BTW. I did not mean to sound pretentious at all.


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  • Valued Contributor
  • April 8, 2016

I know...just trying to get some laughs in a thread that started as an innocent discussion about the new registration fee but later had folks turning on each other.

Everyone can laugh at Ben Toms' "faffing" around at whichever JNUC they have been to before.


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  • April 8, 2016

On behalf of Apple, I'd like to welcome JAMF Software to the world of never pleasing everyone when it comes to conferences.


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  • Hall of Fame
  • April 8, 2016

@jarednichols, truth. BTW, when's Apple bringing back the IT track to WWDC? ;-)


Chubs
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  • Jamf Heroes
  • April 8, 2016

@Chris_Hafner We pay for yearly maintenance plus licenses and we are an EDU...so not to burst your bubble, but if it weren't for the "free" SCCM management for the Windows machines, we wouldn't be able to afford the Casper Suite.

Maybe there can be a bundle package of training+JNUC in the near future. My boss will surely pay the fees for certifications alongside of the JNUC.


Chris_Hafner
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  • Jamf Heroes
  • April 8, 2016

@Chubs Fair enough. I know it's not cheap regardless but perhaps I misunderstand the pricing structures now-a-days. That said, JAMF has always treated us all like Rock Stars at all levels. I do hope for the best for all and hope that you do go.


georgecm12
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  • April 8, 2016

@Chris_Hafner No, your understanding of Casper licensing pricing for Edu is correct.

I'm not sure what @Chubs situation is, but I'll leave that between his school and Jamf to figure out.


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  • April 8, 2016

Last I checked it's my own responsibility to keep up w/what is going on in the industry and learn what I have learn to get ahead. I have self funded my trip every JNUC I ever been to and I will continue to do so. My experiences at every JNUC have been incredible, and well worth the 500 + travel & lodging.

Thanks JAMF for providing an AMAZING product, INCREDIBLE support, and JAMF Nation!


Chubs
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  • April 8, 2016

@georgecm12 @Chris_Hafner You all are correct. The POs that are listed here state something differently (University validation for cost).

Regardless, Casper isn't cheap - even if we (edu) get a "discount". That said, I do understand that conferences should cost money - that is, NON-user driven conferences. I learned a bit at the JNUC last year, but no hands on. I feel that if we had hands on classes and JAMF driven seminars (as stated above), then the conferences will be well worth the money. I guess I'll wait until next year to propose the increase in cost to my boss (as the vids should be available to explain).


howie_isaacks
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  • April 9, 2016

I can foresee this causing some issues with education customers, or others who have a more fixed yearly budget, but I totally understand the cost. I registered on the 6th before I saw this post, and I thought that the cost of the event was the likely reason behind the registration charge. I'm very excited to be coming back for my second JNUC. I was a Casper newbie last October, and I gained a lot of great new ideas. I'm a CCT now, but I will have my CCA by the time I make it to JNUC 2016. I'm looking forward to getting some more great ideas, and sharing some of mine as well.


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  • April 10, 2016

why are you people writing and saying you cannot attend because of the fees ? JAMF knows this, it was only time until they eventually started to charge for attendance.

JAMF knows that eventually you will fork over the money and attend, whether it's this year or starting next year.

JAMF will not take any financial hit this year with the conference whether they charge for attendance or not.

This was going to happen sooner or later, looks like sooner.

think like a business man and you'll realize this was eventually going to happen.


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  • April 10, 2016

This will be my last comment on this and agree with @CasperSally about moving on, it is what it is at this point and we learn to adapt now that we know the rules of the game so to speak.

@Chris_Hafner I'm not sure of your environment, or who deals w. the cost of services at your place. We've been a customer w/ JAMF since 2007 when JAMF was just getting some traction. To date we've spent nearly a million dollars in maintenance fees (yes, are seats are free), we've bought private courses, we've sent personal to courses so to see them reluctant to meet us (.edu) half way is a bit disturbing.

@deanhager If JAMF is taking on over 2000 new customers a year that alone exceeds your comfort zone for attendance at JNUC. If each new customer received a voucher for one free seat to JNUC. Something has to give, either change venues and charge or limit the event and make it no cost to those who get registered in the allotted time period. I understand the cost aspect, but if it wasn't for the community the Nation wouldn't be what it is. At some point there is a price of doing business, and JNUC might be that one item you look at that away.

I'm going to at least to try to get approval to but I'm not optimistic about it..


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  • Valued Contributor
  • April 11, 2016

Can we Tailgate? They have a nice park over there, it'll be fun to watch the conference in the park while barbecuing and drinking beer, oh and we can do the bottle share while we're at it!

Mr. CEO, maybe you can just include the JNUC fee in the Casper Suite pricing. Like, you get 2 free pass for 1 year if you buy Casper Suite, or 3 free pass for 3 years if you buy 3 year Contract.


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  • April 11, 2016

One logistical issue I can see with free entry or complimentary tickets as part of subscriptions is that it becomes difficult to keep a hold on who is actually showing up. No-one seems to worry about cancelling a free ticket if they don't end up being able to attend which makes it a nightmare for the organisers. A substantial reduction (but still a dollar amount to make people think before registering) for Training Pass holders or the like might be a way around this but given the cost of the tickets compared to similar events I guess JAMF would feel that the tickets are already heavily discounted.

I'm still putting in a proposal to my employers to attend as the conference fee is a drop in the ocean compared to the flights over from Australia. Hope to see a bunch of you there!


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  • Valued Contributor
  • April 11, 2016

Mr. CEO @deanhager I should rephrase what I posted. JAMF should just include the JNUC fee in the subscription. 2 JNUC passes when you buy or renew 1 year subscription. If you buy or renew 3 years, you get 6 passes. This way, every year, 2 of IT staff can take turns to attend the conference each year. If they include the JNUC fee in the subscription, attendees still required 6 months to register prior to JNUC event. If they decided to cancel prior to 6 months, JAMF will refund the fee. If they do not cancel before 6 months, its either forfeit it or go. I think its fair right?


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  • April 11, 2016

@Eigger i think it's easier to just charge the 500 bucks. If they did it your way and one group buys 50 licenses for the year and another buys 5,000, how would that be fair to the people spending 100x as much money? And if you are building in the cost for that into subscriptions then what about all the institutions that DON'T want to go? Should they be subsidizing other people that do want to go? And then if you turn around and say "ok, well we'll only have the people who want to go subsiding it with their subscription pass", then the easier path again is to just charge the people who want to go the price of a ticket.

I think the simple thing as has been stated multiple times by others already is this year there are going to be disappointed folks that can't go and there's not much that's going to change that now. Next year when it can be planned and budgeted for then just charging everyone the same fee will be the best coarse of action. I think folks trying to figure out convoluted ways to hide the cost of a ticket so it looks "free" is just that, a more convoluted way of having attendees shoulder some of the burden of attending that can be more transparent by just charging for a ticket if you want to go.


Chubs
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  • Jamf Heroes
  • April 11, 2016

Hey @chriscollins , they "bundle" in training for the MDM piece regardless of how you try to save money. They force you to "pay" for training - even though I'm a self-learner on most things. How would "bundling" in the JNUC (just say, $500) into the yearly maintenance be anything different?

I guess there is no right or wrong model on how they do it - just company-personalized preferences.


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  • April 11, 2016

Our school just signed on. Haven't even had the training or installed the software yet. We are a small school and had to go through a great deal of effort to get the powers that be to even consider this kind of investment. And now, we learn of a wonderful learning event, perfect for small town, small budget people like us - probably the kind of people who could most benefit from it - and more than likely we won't be able to attend because even at the early bird price, we may be priced out of the event. Excited about the product. Pretty bummed about the cost of something so valuable that usedf to be free.
I completely understand the need for for a fee, especially since the event is growing. However, the software is not cheap and the on going costs are significant. I know you folks in larger schools or businesses probably scoff at that concept but to us, it is prohibative. The only part I question is going from $0 to $1000, or $500 for the early bird. And one cost for all size clients. I wonder why some sort of stepped process couldn't be there - either stepped over time or stepped based on client size. Again, even though we haven't gotten the product, we are impressed enough by what we have heard to basically put ourselves out there to recommend it to a school board that really doesn't want to buy it. Going to this conference probably would help us be as efficient users as possible, making justifing the cost easier. But $500 to $1000 for a conference? On top of the thousands to purchase it? I hope we can attend. We have requested it, but the look we got when we did tells me something about our chances. Not complaining. I just think it is a shame - just wish some thought had been put into us little guys


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  • April 11, 2016

Man life is tough.


howie_isaacks
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  • April 11, 2016

@JimNyland I think you've made a great case against the fee. I totally understand JAMF's reasons for instituting the fee, but I hope that they find a way to make it possible for you to attend. Casper is very expensive. It certainly has been for us. Last year, we paid to send me to CCT training. Then a month later, we paid our yearly licensing fees. A month ago, I registered for CCA training, and then I paid another $500 for JNUC. If we total all of that together, it comes to about $8000 invested in Casper in less than a year. Now, we're being told we have to pay another $750 for an iOS jumpstart. This is not to mention the cost of traveling to Minneapolis for JNUC 2015 and my hotel stay. Again, I totally understand the reason behind the charge for JNUC, but I do feel that maybe the decision makers at JAMF may not have thought this through fully with consideration given to the price of training and licensing. For small companies like mine, all of these costs are a huge investment that we must be able to recuperate from client billing. It could actually cause us to lose business because we may have to pass on the extra costs to our customers. I think more thought needs to be given to all pricing for JAMF products, training, and other things. I think that Casper is awesome, and the support we get from JAMF is awesome too, but pricing can be a problem for a lot of us.


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  • April 11, 2016

@chriscollins The idea of modelling I have in mind is not per seat but per year. And like I said, the buyer have an option to cancel to get a refund if terms and condition are met. You may ask...how you will determine who will go in your IT team. It can be just as easy as "Whoever gets the shortest stick Go!" Or It can be a Reward to an employee for a Job Well Done, or a Price Item during your departments Christmas Party or something. I think this is not a half bad idea at all. Getting a JNUC pass everytime you renew or buy subscription to give away to your team can boost moral, get them motivated, something to look forward to every year.