Today, we launched enhanced versions of many of our existing patch management titles with more granular breakdowns and definitions to make app reporting and patch workflows more flexible. This is especially valuable for customers who aren’t always adopting the very latest version of an app or series.
As was noted in the Jamf Pro 10.27 release notes, some of the existing titles have been marked as deprecated following this first round of upgrades. This deprecation label may cause an alarming round of email alerts for customers subscribing to title changes - don't panic! All deprecated titles will continue to receive full version updates for the foreseeable future in parallel with the newly released titles, so no existing patch workflows should be impacted.
We recommend that any customer adding a new title select the non-deprecated variants to minimize any future migration steps. We will provide guidance alongside a future Jamf Pro release for any necessary migration steps that may occur to help all customers move off of the deprecated versions of these titles prior to any end of support.
Over the coming weeks and months, you can expect to see even more titles added to the Jamf Pro patch feed. You can monitor the new resource page to keep track of the latest titles available from Jamf.
(Deprecated) also shows up in Patch Management notifications in Self Service notifications. This is confusing end users.
Thanks for the feedback @joshsw. We're looking into what we can do here to minimize end user confusion.
Hi.
Seems to be have a problem on Adobe Creative Cloud Patch.
Last version on Definitions is 5.3.5.518 but latest version selected is 5.3.2.471.
Thanks.
I have a ticket in as most of my Patch Management titles are not even updating anymore or even scoping... This update so far is terrible
For the less literate, including (apparently) the JAMFers among us, this "deprecation" is premature according you your own 10.27.0 release notes:
Patch management software titles—The Jamf patch management software titles will be updated in a future release. Some existing software titles will be marked as deprecated and replaced with updated software titles. Deprecated titles will continue to be updated as new versions become available; no action is required at this time. More information will be made available soon.
But hey, who cares about being honest and accurate?
@barnesaw This is a fair criticism. The patch feed is maintained and updated separately from the Jamf Pro code base but I totally appreciate how this reads like it'll change as part of a Jamf Pro release. Our goal was to provide advanced notice of this planned change so we decided to publish this in Jamf Pro release notes, which are generally one of the most visible and standard ways to communicate this kind of information to admins.
Nothing in the Jamf console showed anything about “deprecated” but sure enough I got a notification on my Mac’s Self Service reporting Slack was deprecated.
Need more heads up from Jamf - this and the Self Service bugs go straight to the end user experience
@davidi4 Thanks for the feedback. Once a title is added to Patch Management, the display name is admin-defined and won't update with a (deprecated) label. Unfortunately, the end user alert is still actually pulling from the raw patch feed. We are working on a solution to ensure this doesn't appear for end users. I'll share more once we have an update on this change.
Why are Patch and Code Base engineers not working together on something that is truly end-user facing (and not just Admin facing)? This screams that Jamf is becoming nothing but Silos with no upper management that has actual engineering experience.
Not ideal for some larger scale or particular situations, but I have found it best before Jamf is able to implement a solution for the depreciated title on the user-end to simply recreate the title and assign definitions as new title versions are updated. Re-associating packages to definitions from a certain historical point forward has been a viable workaround to weed out the old and start with the new.
So to be clear, can we remove the deprecated ones and re-add with non deprecated ones or are we just sitting with "(deprecated)" in the title until JAMF tells us differently?
Thanks.
Since this change was pushed out without an update to the JSS why not revert the change on your end until it's fixed? Then push it out. Seems a bit shortsighted to allow the negative experience to continue while you troubleshoot your end.
Thanks to everyone for the feedback about the end user confusion that the deprecated labels are causing. I want to let you know that we are preparing an update to the patch feed that will change the way we denote which titles are deprecated. This will return to the previous end user experience you are familiar with.
In order to revert the software title names, we will need to trigger a patch title refresh, which will initiate another round of email notifications for admins watching these titles. While this extra email is not ideal, we want to act quickly to resolve the end user confusion that the deprecated label has created. We plan to complete the change this week and I will share more details about the exact timeline once the fix is tested and scheduled for release.
Good question, @llitz123. You can definitely remove any deprecated titles and adopt the new version of that title today.
The new OneDrive patch title requires yet another Extension Attribute (the deprecated one did not). We really hope more titles don’t add on to our growing list of Extension Attributes.
Are all these changes to get ready for Kinobi 2.0 (Or, what ever the new name is going to be) of Patch Management?
And will the new Patch Management/Kinobi still be free or will become a pay service?
Update: Starting later today, we plan to roll out a change to the way that deprecated titles are displayed in the patch feed:
We will be removing (deprecated) from the software title name. This will ensure that end users are not confused by any new language in Self Service or other notification workflows.
We will be adding a (legacy definition) description to the publisher column to indicate which titles are deprecated. This will allow you to see which titles are deprecated when adding new definitions. We are using the new term so nobody interprets the vendor as being deprecated. Additionally, this (legacy definition) label should flow through to patch titles that have already been added to Jamf Pro so you can tell which items are based upon a deprecated definition.
In order to ensure that we quickly remove the (deprecated) language from user-facing workflows, we will be forcing a refresh of these definitions. Be aware that this will trigger an email notification if you are watching the title. This will be a rolling change over a few hours to ensure we don't spike traffic to the patch infrastructure.
I will post another update once the titles have all been refreshed.
While I agree about communication and the need to be a bit better (really, what organization doesn't suffer from communication issues?), I am very happy with the first look at the updates! There are lots of changes that affected my organization that I am glad to see implemented, so thank you @michael.devins for the work that was put into this.
The one for OneDrive also shows an error in the extension attribute.
We are successfully seeing the new "(legacy definition)" listed when we go to add a new title, but Patch titles that we have already created don't have any information "flowing through" that tell us whether the definition is Legacy or new (unless perhaps we are only using the newer definitions). Where should we be looking in existing Patch titles for this info?
I'm seeing it in the Publisher column (the second column) but so far of the titles I'm using, only for Chrome. Imagine it'll be a bit until they're all updated. What I'm antsy for is the method to migrate from the deprecated titles to the new ones rather than having to rebuild them all by hand.
@lbr, The version information gathered by default Jamf inventory data is not quite granular enough to detect all releases of OneDrive, this is why the EA has been added to the new definition. There will be additional EAs for some new products being added, as this is required for accurate and up-to-date version information.
Hi @rcorbin, if a patch definition contains an Extension Attribute, its default behaviour on import is to show an error, until the terms are accepted by an administrator.
Is there a timetable for the transition? How much longer should we expect to get notified of patch title versions we’ve already deployed?
@duncan.mccracken "if a patch definition contains an Extension Attribute, its default behaviour on import is to show an error, until the terms are accepted by an administrator."
Where is this acceptance possible?
