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We are currently seeing minor updates being deferred even though there are no restrictions on them. 
There is a major OS Deferral set for 90 days and enforced and no other settings. 

I thought maybe it may have been the Jamf configuration profile, so I configured just the settings manually but same issue appears. 

If I disable the configuration profile completely, all updates show Deferred: No

There going to be no major release until the end of the year so its safe to disable the policy for now but would be great to get an understanding on why this is occuring.

 

 

Best answer by wakco11

That list is available Full Installers, not minor updates. So the Major Updates Deferral is in fact not applying to the minor updates, to see a list of available minor updates (that have not yet been installed use softwareupdate --list instead, these are the updates governed by Minor Updates Deferral.

All the --list-full-installers shows is that if you were to attempt to upgrade to macOS 13 or macOS 14 from macOS 12, the Major Upgrade Deferral would apply since the current minor versions of 13 & 14 on offer are still within the Major deferral period.

Here's a current view from mist (command line version, another utility that can list available full installers, it has a gui version as well:

mist list installer

┌──────────────────┐
│ INPUT VALIDATION │
└──────────────────┘
  ├─ Search only for latest (first) result will be 'false'...
  ├─ Include betas in search results will be 'false'...
  ├─ Only include compatible installers will be 'false'...
  ├─ Output type will be 'ascii'...
┌────────┐
│ SEARCH │
└────────┘
  ├─ Searching for macOS Installer versions...
  └─ Found 29 macOS Installer(s) available for download

┌───────────────┬────────────────────┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬────────────┬────────────┐
│ IDENTIFIER    │ NAME               │ VERSION │ BUILD   │ SIZE     │ DATE       │ COMPATIBLE │
├───────────────┼────────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┼──────────┼────────────┼────────────┤
│ 072-44286     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.2    │ 24C101  │ 15.29 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
│ 072-29965     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1.1  │ 24B2091 │ 12.73 GB │ 2024-11-20 │ False      │
│ 072-30111     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1.1  │ 24B91   │ 14.56 GB │ 2024-11-20 │ True       │
│ 072-12295     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1    │ 24B2083 │ 12.73 GB │ 2024-10-31 │ False      │
│ 072-12353     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1    │ 24B83   │ 14.56 GB │ 2024-10-29 │ True       │
│ 072-01382     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.0.1  │ 24A348  │ 14.48 GB │ 2024-10-22 │ True       │
│ 072-36705     │ macOS Sonoma       │ 14.7.2  │ 23H311  │ 13.67 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
│ 072-09041     │ macOS Sonoma       │ 14.7.1  │ 23H222  │ 13.67 GB │ 2024-11-05 │ True       │
│ 072-36728     │ macOS Ventura      │ 13.7.2  │ 22H313  │ 12.22 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
│ 072-09024     │ macOS Ventura      │ 13.7.1  │ 22H221  │ 12.22 GB │ 2024-11-05 │ True       │
│ 052-60131     │ macOS Monterey     │ 12.7.4  │ 21H1123 │ 12.42 GB │ 2024-03-19 │ True       │
│ 042-45246     │ macOS Big Sur      │ 11.7.10 │ 20G1427 │ 12.42 GB │ 2023-09-12 │ False      │
│ 001-68446     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H15   │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-11-12 │ False      │
│ 001-57224     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H4    │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-10-28 │ False      │
│ 001-51042     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H2    │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-09-25 │ False      │
│ 001-36801     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.6 │ 19G2021 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-08-13 │ False      │
│ 001-36735     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.6 │ 19G2006 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-08-07 │ False      │
│ 001-15219     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.5 │ 19F2200 │ 08.74 GB │ 2020-06-16 │ False      │
│ 001-04366     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.4 │ 19E2269 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-05-05 │ False      │
│ 061-86291     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.3 │ 19D2064 │ 08.69 GB │ 2020-03-24 │ False      │
│ 061-26589     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.6 │ 18G103  │ 06.52 GB │ 2019-10-15 │ False      │
│ 061-26578     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.5 │ 18F2059 │ 06.52 GB │ 2019-10-15 │ False      │
│ 041-88800     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.4 │ 18E2034 │ 06.53 GB │ 2019-10-24 │ False      │
│ 041-91758     │ macOS High Sierra  │ 10.13.6 │ 17G66   │ 05.71 GB │ 2019-10-20 │ False      │
│ 10.12.6-16G29 │ macOS Sierra       │ 10.12.6 │ 16G29   │ 05.01 GB │ 2017-07-15 │ False      │
│ 10.11.6-15G31 │ OS X El Capitan    │ 10.11.6 │ 15G31   │ 06.20 GB │ 2016-05-18 │ False      │
│ 10.10.5-14F27 │ OS X Yosemite      │ 10.10.5 │ 14F27   │ 05.72 GB │ 2015-08-05 │ False      │
│ 10.8.5-12F45  │ OS X Mountain Lion │ 10.8.5  │ 12F45   │ 04.45 GB │ 2013-09-27 │ False      │
│ 10.7.5-11G63  │ Mac OS X Lion      │ 10.7.5  │ 11G63   │ 04.72 GB │ 2012-09-28 │ False      │
└───────────────┴────────────────────┴─────────┴─────────┴──────────┴────────────┴────────────┘

What is important here is the Date column, it shows the date when each full installer was released. This can be confirmed at https://sofa.macadmins.io/. Apple also often removes older minor update full installers at around the 90 day mark to also provide a means of helping to manage deferrals, but this has the side effect of what we are seeing right now, where if going from macOS 12 Monterey, the only full installer available is for 15.0.1. So let's say you then upgrade to 15.0.1, the computer would then offer minor updates to 15.2 (assuming the Minor Updates Deferral has not been applied). It is a quirk of how Apples Major/Minor Update Deferrals are applied, but an important distinction.

 

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    That list is available Full Installers, not minor updates. So the Major Updates Deferral is in fact not applying to the minor updates, to see a list of available minor updates (that have not yet been installed use softwareupdate --list instead, these are the updates governed by Minor Updates Deferral.

    All the --list-full-installers shows is that if you were to attempt to upgrade to macOS 13 or macOS 14 from macOS 12, the Major Upgrade Deferral would apply since the current minor versions of 13 & 14 on offer are still within the Major deferral period.

    Here's a current view from mist (command line version, another utility that can list available full installers, it has a gui version as well:

    mist list installer

    ┌──────────────────┐
    │ INPUT VALIDATION │
    └──────────────────┘
      ├─ Search only for latest (first) result will be 'false'...
      ├─ Include betas in search results will be 'false'...
      ├─ Only include compatible installers will be 'false'...
      ├─ Output type will be 'ascii'...
    ┌────────┐
    │ SEARCH │
    └────────┘
      ├─ Searching for macOS Installer versions...
      └─ Found 29 macOS Installer(s) available for download

    ┌───────────────┬────────────────────┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬────────────┬────────────┐
    │ IDENTIFIER    │ NAME               │ VERSION │ BUILD   │ SIZE     │ DATE       │ COMPATIBLE │
    ├───────────────┼────────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┼──────────┼────────────┼────────────┤
    │ 072-44286     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.2    │ 24C101  │ 15.29 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
    │ 072-29965     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1.1  │ 24B2091 │ 12.73 GB │ 2024-11-20 │ False      │
    │ 072-30111     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1.1  │ 24B91   │ 14.56 GB │ 2024-11-20 │ True       │
    │ 072-12295     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1    │ 24B2083 │ 12.73 GB │ 2024-10-31 │ False      │
    │ 072-12353     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1    │ 24B83   │ 14.56 GB │ 2024-10-29 │ True       │
    │ 072-01382     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.0.1  │ 24A348  │ 14.48 GB │ 2024-10-22 │ True       │
    │ 072-36705     │ macOS Sonoma       │ 14.7.2  │ 23H311  │ 13.67 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
    │ 072-09041     │ macOS Sonoma       │ 14.7.1  │ 23H222  │ 13.67 GB │ 2024-11-05 │ True       │
    │ 072-36728     │ macOS Ventura      │ 13.7.2  │ 22H313  │ 12.22 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
    │ 072-09024     │ macOS Ventura      │ 13.7.1  │ 22H221  │ 12.22 GB │ 2024-11-05 │ True       │
    │ 052-60131     │ macOS Monterey     │ 12.7.4  │ 21H1123 │ 12.42 GB │ 2024-03-19 │ True       │
    │ 042-45246     │ macOS Big Sur      │ 11.7.10 │ 20G1427 │ 12.42 GB │ 2023-09-12 │ False      │
    │ 001-68446     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H15   │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-11-12 │ False      │
    │ 001-57224     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H4    │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-10-28 │ False      │
    │ 001-51042     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H2    │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-09-25 │ False      │
    │ 001-36801     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.6 │ 19G2021 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-08-13 │ False      │
    │ 001-36735     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.6 │ 19G2006 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-08-07 │ False      │
    │ 001-15219     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.5 │ 19F2200 │ 08.74 GB │ 2020-06-16 │ False      │
    │ 001-04366     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.4 │ 19E2269 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-05-05 │ False      │
    │ 061-86291     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.3 │ 19D2064 │ 08.69 GB │ 2020-03-24 │ False      │
    │ 061-26589     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.6 │ 18G103  │ 06.52 GB │ 2019-10-15 │ False      │
    │ 061-26578     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.5 │ 18F2059 │ 06.52 GB │ 2019-10-15 │ False      │
    │ 041-88800     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.4 │ 18E2034 │ 06.53 GB │ 2019-10-24 │ False      │
    │ 041-91758     │ macOS High Sierra  │ 10.13.6 │ 17G66   │ 05.71 GB │ 2019-10-20 │ False      │
    │ 10.12.6-16G29 │ macOS Sierra       │ 10.12.6 │ 16G29   │ 05.01 GB │ 2017-07-15 │ False      │
    │ 10.11.6-15G31 │ OS X El Capitan    │ 10.11.6 │ 15G31   │ 06.20 GB │ 2016-05-18 │ False      │
    │ 10.10.5-14F27 │ OS X Yosemite      │ 10.10.5 │ 14F27   │ 05.72 GB │ 2015-08-05 │ False      │
    │ 10.8.5-12F45  │ OS X Mountain Lion │ 10.8.5  │ 12F45   │ 04.45 GB │ 2013-09-27 │ False      │
    │ 10.7.5-11G63  │ Mac OS X Lion      │ 10.7.5  │ 11G63   │ 04.72 GB │ 2012-09-28 │ False      │
    └───────────────┴────────────────────┴─────────┴─────────┴──────────┴────────────┴────────────┘

    What is important here is the Date column, it shows the date when each full installer was released. This can be confirmed at https://sofa.macadmins.io/. Apple also often removes older minor update full installers at around the 90 day mark to also provide a means of helping to manage deferrals, but this has the side effect of what we are seeing right now, where if going from macOS 12 Monterey, the only full installer available is for 15.0.1. So let's say you then upgrade to 15.0.1, the computer would then offer minor updates to 15.2 (assuming the Minor Updates Deferral has not been applied). It is a quirk of how Apples Major/Minor Update Deferrals are applied, but an important distinction.

     

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    Have you tried to use a Configuration Profile with the option 'Restrictions'? Under the Tab 'Functionality' you can set 'Defer Updates of Only major software updates for 90 days'? Maybe the behavior is different to yours.

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    @MikeyK Try adding a forceDelayedSoftwareUpdates key set to false in your Configuration Profile

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    wakco11 wrote:

    That list is available Full Installers, not minor updates. So the Major Updates Deferral is in fact not applying to the minor updates, to see a list of available minor updates (that have not yet been installed use softwareupdate --list instead, these are the updates governed by Minor Updates Deferral.

    All the --list-full-installers shows is that if you were to attempt to upgrade to macOS 13 or macOS 14 from macOS 12, the Major Upgrade Deferral would apply since the current minor versions of 13 & 14 on offer are still within the Major deferral period.

    Here's a current view from mist (command line version, another utility that can list available full installers, it has a gui version as well:

    mist list installer

    ┌──────────────────┐
    │ INPUT VALIDATION │
    └──────────────────┘
      ├─ Search only for latest (first) result will be 'false'...
      ├─ Include betas in search results will be 'false'...
      ├─ Only include compatible installers will be 'false'...
      ├─ Output type will be 'ascii'...
    ┌────────┐
    │ SEARCH │
    └────────┘
      ├─ Searching for macOS Installer versions...
      └─ Found 29 macOS Installer(s) available for download

    ┌───────────────┬────────────────────┬─────────┬─────────┬──────────┬────────────┬────────────┐
    │ IDENTIFIER    │ NAME               │ VERSION │ BUILD   │ SIZE     │ DATE       │ COMPATIBLE │
    ├───────────────┼────────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┼──────────┼────────────┼────────────┤
    │ 072-44286     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.2    │ 24C101  │ 15.29 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
    │ 072-29965     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1.1  │ 24B2091 │ 12.73 GB │ 2024-11-20 │ False      │
    │ 072-30111     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1.1  │ 24B91   │ 14.56 GB │ 2024-11-20 │ True       │
    │ 072-12295     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1    │ 24B2083 │ 12.73 GB │ 2024-10-31 │ False      │
    │ 072-12353     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.1    │ 24B83   │ 14.56 GB │ 2024-10-29 │ True       │
    │ 072-01382     │ macOS Sequoia      │ 15.0.1  │ 24A348  │ 14.48 GB │ 2024-10-22 │ True       │
    │ 072-36705     │ macOS Sonoma       │ 14.7.2  │ 23H311  │ 13.67 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
    │ 072-09041     │ macOS Sonoma       │ 14.7.1  │ 23H222  │ 13.67 GB │ 2024-11-05 │ True       │
    │ 072-36728     │ macOS Ventura      │ 13.7.2  │ 22H313  │ 12.22 GB │ 2024-12-12 │ True       │
    │ 072-09024     │ macOS Ventura      │ 13.7.1  │ 22H221  │ 12.22 GB │ 2024-11-05 │ True       │
    │ 052-60131     │ macOS Monterey     │ 12.7.4  │ 21H1123 │ 12.42 GB │ 2024-03-19 │ True       │
    │ 042-45246     │ macOS Big Sur      │ 11.7.10 │ 20G1427 │ 12.42 GB │ 2023-09-12 │ False      │
    │ 001-68446     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H15   │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-11-12 │ False      │
    │ 001-57224     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H4    │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-10-28 │ False      │
    │ 001-51042     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.7 │ 19H2    │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-09-25 │ False      │
    │ 001-36801     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.6 │ 19G2021 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-08-13 │ False      │
    │ 001-36735     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.6 │ 19G2006 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-08-07 │ False      │
    │ 001-15219     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.5 │ 19F2200 │ 08.74 GB │ 2020-06-16 │ False      │
    │ 001-04366     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.4 │ 19E2269 │ 08.75 GB │ 2020-05-05 │ False      │
    │ 061-86291     │ macOS Catalina     │ 10.15.3 │ 19D2064 │ 08.69 GB │ 2020-03-24 │ False      │
    │ 061-26589     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.6 │ 18G103  │ 06.52 GB │ 2019-10-15 │ False      │
    │ 061-26578     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.5 │ 18F2059 │ 06.52 GB │ 2019-10-15 │ False      │
    │ 041-88800     │ macOS Mojave       │ 10.14.4 │ 18E2034 │ 06.53 GB │ 2019-10-24 │ False      │
    │ 041-91758     │ macOS High Sierra  │ 10.13.6 │ 17G66   │ 05.71 GB │ 2019-10-20 │ False      │
    │ 10.12.6-16G29 │ macOS Sierra       │ 10.12.6 │ 16G29   │ 05.01 GB │ 2017-07-15 │ False      │
    │ 10.11.6-15G31 │ OS X El Capitan    │ 10.11.6 │ 15G31   │ 06.20 GB │ 2016-05-18 │ False      │
    │ 10.10.5-14F27 │ OS X Yosemite      │ 10.10.5 │ 14F27   │ 05.72 GB │ 2015-08-05 │ False      │
    │ 10.8.5-12F45  │ OS X Mountain Lion │ 10.8.5  │ 12F45   │ 04.45 GB │ 2013-09-27 │ False      │
    │ 10.7.5-11G63  │ Mac OS X Lion      │ 10.7.5  │ 11G63   │ 04.72 GB │ 2012-09-28 │ False      │
    └───────────────┴────────────────────┴─────────┴─────────┴──────────┴────────────┴────────────┘

    What is important here is the Date column, it shows the date when each full installer was released. This can be confirmed at https://sofa.macadmins.io/. Apple also often removes older minor update full installers at around the 90 day mark to also provide a means of helping to manage deferrals, but this has the side effect of what we are seeing right now, where if going from macOS 12 Monterey, the only full installer available is for 15.0.1. So let's say you then upgrade to 15.0.1, the computer would then offer minor updates to 15.2 (assuming the Minor Updates Deferral has not been applied). It is a quirk of how Apples Major/Minor Update Deferrals are applied, but an important distinction.

     


    Thank you wakco, that does make sense, I was only looking at that one particular distinction, which is
    X.0.0 = Major release
    0.X.0 = Minor release
    0.0.X = Security response release

    Thank you for the website, very handy!

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